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candidate for Minnesota House 52b goes on the record...

“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” ~ Mother Teresa

Abortion is one social issue that tends to divide people. You have two camps, one being pro-life, and the other being pro-choice. One thing both sides can agree upon is that society would be much better off if there wasn’t a demand for abortion.

Thomas Jefferson and the members of the Second Continental Congress affirmed that, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

I believe that they rightly placed ‘Life’ as the most important unalienable right endowed to us by God. Government’s main duties are to protect life, liberty and property rights. We cannot protect liberty or property if we do not protect life; especially the right to life of the unborn. 

As it stands in the United States, the US Supreme Court decided in 1973 (in conflict of the 10th Amendment) that abortion is a fundamental right. To many people, taking the life of an unborn life is nothing short of murder. Allowing abortion to continue is a violation of their conscience. Certainly using their tax dollars for state-sponsored abortion violates their moral convictions.

Abortion is legal in the United States and has been for almost 40 years. Presidents, Congressmen and Supreme Court judges have come and gone, but the decision has stood, despite pledges to overturn it from pro-life groups and politicians.

Although this is an issue which the founders believed should be handled at the state level, I do respect the rule of law. However, I do not feel it is right to take tax dollars from those who believe abortion is murder, and subsidize it.  

Because I agree with Thomas Jefferson that it is “sinful and tyrannical” to “compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors," I will work to end forced taxpayer funding of abortion in Minnesota.

Joe Atkins, who received the NARAL Pro-Choice Minnesota Endorsement this year (http://www.prochoiceminnesota.org/media/press/20120806.shtml), may claim the contrary but his voting record indicates that he is strongly pro-choice. Here are a few examples:

  • In the 2008-2009 Health and Human Services Budget, an amendment to “Prohibit Public Funding of Abortions” was presented to the Minnesota House. Joe Atkins voted against it. The bill failed by just four votes.
  • In 2012, HF2341 was passed by the Minnesota House and Senate which stated that, “Prescribing Physicians must be present when abortion-inducing drugs are administered.” Joe Atkins voted against this as well. In a procedure like abortion, shouldn’t a doctor be required to be present, if only for the health of the mother?
  • In 2012, HF1921 was passed by the Minnesota House and Senate which simply required licensing and inspections of facilities which perform more than 10 abortion procedures a year. Joe Atkins voted against this as well. While Joe voted against allowing adults to purchase higher-powered fireworks due to safety concerns, he seemingly does not have those same types of safety concerns about abortion facilities.

As your Representative, I will fight to end taxpayer subsidies for abortion. For those abortions which we cannot prevent, I will work to ensure that they are provided in a safe manner, by a trained professional.

I think it’s time to elect a representative with the courage and conviction to stand up for every Minnesotan’s right to life. All life is sacred and must be protected.

When we live free, we live better.

Donald Lee October 21, 2012 at 03:15 am
Exactly, except that with the IPAB there is a difference.
With my dentist, I pay the bill and I decide what he does. Period. He who pays the piper calls the tune. http://mendotaheights.patch.com/blog_posts/freedom-and-the-power-to-choose With my doctor, I also pay the bill, either directly, or indirectly (through insurance). In any case, I get to decide. If the insurance company decides not to "cover" my choice, I still decide, but I may have to pay. With the IPAB, it goes beyond simply recommending treatment. The IPAB (and/or other PPACA mechanisms) impose institution-wide penalties on providers that do not "measure up". In a sense, I am not allowed to pay the bill, so I don't get to decide. Remember, Medicare and Medicaid started out as "insurance" with the feds paying the bills. The cost of that got out of hand, so they were forced to cut costs, and they did so simply by paying providers less. This is why doctors are "dropping" medicare patients. This is why the "doc fix" keeps getting passed in Congress. This is why doctors who treat medicare patients are not allowed to take private payments. This is also why the feds, having failed to control costs, are seizing control of medicine, and trying to force doctors to do what they consider "best practices", with no provision for you or me paying the bill - or getting to decide. The IPAB is different.
Ray October 21, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Not exactly. If you disagree with the IPAB guideline you are always welcome to open your wallet and pay for as money cosmetic surgeries, x-rays, or any other treatments that you believe is your best treatment. That is no different from the insurance that we get thru anywhere today.
With regards to your "scare" that doctors do not accept Medicare: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/15/us-column-miller-medicare-idUSBRE87E15N20120815 "This issue is monitored closely by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), an independent Congressional agency charged with advising Congress on Medicare. The agency's most recent annual survey of Medicare patients found that just 2 percent of beneficiaries had problems of any kind finding a new primary care doctor willing to accept Medicare - the same percentage of patients aged 50-64 with private insurance who report problems. Likewise, just 2.1 percent report trouble of any kind finding specialists willing to accept Medicare, compared with 2.3 percent for patients with private insurance." That article further states that the cost of administering Medicare is growing at a lower rate than private health insurance. Further debunking your claims.
Donald Lee October 21, 2012 at 11:01 pm
The IPAB has not gotten started. The PPACA has not fully taken effect. When the IPAB has the power to punish institutions and individual doctors, we'll see if they will permit "disfavored" procedures. I don't want to find out.
There is no "scare" about Medicare. It's true. Doctors make less money with Medicare patients. That's why many doctors or hospitals have stopped taking Medicare patients. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/06/study-one-third-of-doctors-wouldnt-take-new-medicaid-patients-last-year/ http://host.madison.com/news/local/health_med_fit/madison-clinic-s-decision-to-stop-taking-new-medicare-patients/article_70520894-72c8-11e1-a7d0-0019bb2963f4.html Google "doctors stop taking medicare" and enjoy. I am amazed by the link you posted. I quote: "Obamacare does cut $700 billion in Medicare spending over a 10-year period. But the cuts are adjustments in payments to Medicare providers, which are mostly meaningless to patients." Wow. So the Medicare can cut their payments to doctors, and the doctors will not be affected at all? Cool. I wonder how that would work with my dentist. "Hi, I'm going to pay you half of all my future bills, but you have to do all the same work." I don't think so.
Ray October 21, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Donald, you may want to read the very link you have posted really carefully.
"Here’s the correlation she found between how much a state pays its Medicaid doctors (indexed as a percent of the Medicare reimbursement rate) and the percent of physicians accepting new Medicaid patients:" That means once again, i have debunked your Mediscare claims.
Donald Lee October 22, 2012 at 02:47 am
Nonsense. The article says clearly that lower payments induce doctors to stop serving new Medicaid patients. The economic lesson is ironclad. Nothing has been "debunked".
That's why every year when the Medicare "cuts" come around in Congress, the Congress passes the "doc fix", which raises the Medicare reimbursement rates to closer to market rates. That's why the "doc fix" does, and is why it is a "must pass". It's time to wake up and recognize Econ 101, and stop pretending that it can be ignored. Repeating nonsense does not make it true.
Donald Lee October 22, 2012 at 02:48 am
and I forgot - the "doc fix" is one big reason why Medicare cost continue to rise beyond projections......
Ray October 22, 2012 at 10:17 am
Donald, once again read the snippet from the very link that you posted.
"Here’s the correlation she found between how much a state pays its Medicaid doctors (indexed as a percent of the Medicare reimbursement rate) and the percent of physicians accepting new Medicaid patients:" Those are not my words. Those are from the very article you posted. Thus far I have shown - That Medicaid paitents have no more difficulty than privately insured patients in obtaining doctor appointments - Reimbursements by state Medicaid NOT Medicare are responsible for doctors leaving the system - The cost of administering Medicare has not gone up faster than private insurance. All you do is state right wing talking points, and walk away when some challenges them !!!
Donald Lee October 22, 2012 at 02:38 pm
Those who insist on believing something will not be dissuaded. A Google search for "doctors accept no more medicare" brings up volumes of material confirming that paying doctors less drives them away. This is common sense.
Medicare may have "low overhead", but it also has "massive fraud". A Google search for "medicare fraud rampant" again brings up volumes of material confirming that there is a serious problem. Again common sense - the solution is to work harder to catch fraudsters - driving up "overhead" costs. For better or worse, reality is catching up with Medicare, and these discussions are largely academic. My post: http://mendotaheights.patch.com/blog_posts/the-end-of-medicare outlines the reality.
Ray October 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Donald - When every rational argument, pointing to your own links that contradict your mediscare claims, your answer is "search on google".
Similarly on Social Security, I asked you to factually contradict someone you had criticized. Your answer. "Search on google". Well Donald. If you "Search on Google", one can even prove that Obama is a citizen of Kenya !!!
Donald Lee October 23, 2012 at 12:47 pm
It is not helpful to call positions irrational. I merely suggest that people make their own judgements. They have to do that in any case.
Ray October 23, 2012 at 01:03 pm
"It is not helpful to call positions irrational. I merely suggest that people make their own judgements. They have to do that in any case."
"Nonsense" - that was a word you used. Not me. And of course used no verified facts to back up your words. Would it be safe to say that most of your positions are just your opinions and are mostly not entirely based on facts. Just "search google"
Thomas Dippel October 23, 2012 at 04:53 pm
What is abortion? The killing of a baby. Who is okay with that? Should the government, or anyone for that matter, be funding and have any involvement in such a grotesque practice? Why do we think as a people it is okay to suck a baby out of it's mothers womb - in some cases sucking the brain out first, then proceeding to break all the babies bones so it can be taken from the womb? There is simply no excuse. As for planned parenthood, I would not even think of supporting any medical or commercial business that killed even one baby.
Ray October 23, 2012 at 11:47 pm
That Thomas, would be your opinion. Why stop at calling a fertilized egg a baby. Why don't you just call the sperm a life and claim that using a contraceptive is murder.
Thomas Dippel October 24, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Ray- Why didn't you address the issue of sucking the babies brain out and breaking it to pieces? Are you okay with that?
Ray October 24, 2012 at 01:07 pm
Thomas, why don't you tell me how an egg is a baby ? Or how is sperm a baby. Also since you are the genius of medical procedures, do you have another medical procedure to suggest when doctors have to save the life of a mother or an unviable fetus. Did you coauthor a book on alternative medicine with Todd Aikin ?
Thomas Dippel October 24, 2012 at 01:23 pm
Ray- You're trying to distract me. I wont be deterred into the weeds. I didn't say anything about eggs, sperm or saving the life of a mother. I will ask the question very specifically and pointed again, and I hope you don't try to dodge it. Are you okay with sucking babies brains out and breaking them to pieces in order to retrieve them from a mothers womb?
Ray October 24, 2012 at 02:46 pm
Thomas, tell me what the MEDICAL name of this procedure is. Please be specific, give me the MEDICAL name, criteria under which it is conducted and any MEDICAL data as when and where it is conducted. How do i know whether u made up this procedure ?
Is this procedure that is be used on an unviable fetus. If so do you have an alternative or would u prefer the mother to die. How come u won't provide any context to your vast medical knowledge ? I cannot pass judgement on nonsensical medical criteria like "legitimate rape"
Thomas Dippel October 24, 2012 at 07:45 pm
Ray- Here are a couple video's that explain what I am talking about in detail. It would take me a really long time to type it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_W75zh1j2I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WiQNPk_2G8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyKc6nPw6C4&feature=related My apologies for not giving more complete information. Thanks for the serious questions.
Ray October 24, 2012 at 08:11 pm
Thomas, why are you avoiding a simple question? What is the MEDICAL name of this procedure. I mean if this was such a prevalent and gruesome procedure I'm sure there was a MEDICAL name and MEDICAL data for it.
Now certainly you are not making up some FAKE MEDICAL term like legitimate rape are you ? On youtube, i can even prove to u that Obama is a Kenyan citizen. Honest
Thomas Dippel October 24, 2012 at 08:18 pm
I'm not following you, Ray. It's called abortion, but that is to obvious, so I seriously don't understand what you are trying to get at. I already called it abortion, so that's not what you mean. I really am not following you my friend.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abortion Likewise, I'm sure you're not suggesting that abortions don't actually occur as described in the videos I posted, right?
Ray October 24, 2012 at 08:53 pm
Thomas, you stated a specific sequence of steps that you claimed was a medical procedure. All i am asking you is to show me a MEDICAL reference that states that those steps are in ALL ABORTIONS or ANY SPECIFIC ABORTION that is documented by a MEDICAL authority. Why is it so hard ?
Or is it like "legitimate rape" where the right invents a medical terminology that does not exist and then runs away from it when questioned.
Thomas Dippel October 25, 2012 at 01:17 pm
Ray- I'm to busy to type out all the abortive procedures from A-Z with citations. Also, it's really hard to stay patient when you keep bringing up dumb stuff people have said and try to pin it on me. It's common knowledge in the world of abortions that some break babies bones or pull limbs off, one by one, inside the mothers womb, then extract the babies head. Others suck the babies brains out. Others do a combination of both and so on. I'm glad you are at least hesitant to say you are okay with that.
Ray October 25, 2012 at 02:34 pm
Thomas - You are do busy to name a single abortive procedure that you "described" in great detail. I did not ask you for a list of all procedures or any compendium on abortive procedure. I just asked you to name that single one.
You've responded at least five times, giving all kind of excuses, however you claim you are too busy ? If you cannot name that one single procedure, how do i know you are not making it up. Why is this not similar to how right wing made up a new crime called "legitimate rape" and then ran away from it when people started asking questions ? How can i judge something when you can't even name the procedure ?
Thomas Dippel October 25, 2012 at 03:36 pm
http://www.ehow.com/list_6892895_names-different-types-abortions.html
Ray October 25, 2012 at 04:17 pm
Thomas - "Why didn't you address the issue of sucking the babies brain out and breaking it to pieces? "
Which one of the abortion procedures you point to in the above link points to this ?
Thomas Dippel October 25, 2012 at 04:35 pm
Partial birth abortion-inserting a scissors into the base of the babies scull and sucking babies brains out.
Dilation and evacuation-breaking babies bones or pulling limbs off, sometimes achievable without pulling the baby apart. Suction aspiration-sucking the baby out. Induction-Salt water burns the baby and creates an unlivable situation.
Thomas Dippel October 25, 2012 at 04:37 pm
Partial birth and Dilation and Evacuation.
Ray October 25, 2012 at 05:10 pm
Let me see. Here is what i read from it.
"Partial birth abortion is not a medical term; ... The term "partial birth abortion" was coined in 1995 by the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) in hopes it would spur anti-abortion response. " So you want me to comment on a "procedure" that was made up by non-doctors ?
Thomas Dippel October 25, 2012 at 05:33 pm
I'm done, Ray. You're being unreasonable.
Ray October 25, 2012 at 05:44 pm
Thomas - I'm posting from the very link you gave me. Now you are calling me unreasonable. Aren't you being the one who is being unreasonable by posting some made up hyperbole about abortions ?

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